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Day 16: Your guilty pleasure show --

  LAW & ORDER: SVU - It's a cactus wholly bristling with fraud & manipulation, pretending to be something it's not -- I know what it is, and I go to it all the same

Day 17: Favorite mini series -

JOHN ADAMS - Laura Linney is Abigail Adams, and with Paul Giamatti, she brought the viewer entirely into that marriage and into the end of the 18th century -- likewise the actor who played Thomas Jefferson

Day 19: Best TV show cast -

PARENTHOOD - See above

Day 18: Favorite title sequence -

BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER in all its seasons

Day 20: Favorite kiss -

WESLEY & CORDELIA IN "GRADUATION DAY"

Day 21: Favorite ship

BUFFY & SPIKE - which could have been turned around in all sorts of interesting ways if, if, if --

Day 22: Favorite series finale --

From current TV, BATTLESTAR GALACTICA - I love the fact that the ship just finally breaks down -- Sam Anders' death - the abrupt turnaround when Kara isn't there - and the cut to  "150,000 years later" as we pan over Central Park, the 'Baltar/Caprica' conversation, "You *know* he doesn't like to be called that" and the playing of Hendrix's version of "All Along the Watchtower" over the montage, leaving it open, 'what exactly are we going to do as our artificial creatures gain parity with us?' --

Day 23: Most annoying character

Sorry OZ - but you held Willow back for two-plus years

Day 24: Best quote

RESTLESS - But what else could I expect from a bunch of low rent, no account
hoodlums like you -- hoodlums! Yes. I mean you and your friends, your whole sex, throw 'em all in the sea for all I care, throw 'em in and wait for the bubbles. Men, with your groping and spitting all groin no brain three billion of ya passin' around the same worn out urge. Men . . . with your… sales.


Day 25: A show you plan on watching (old or new)

NO ORDINARY FAMILY - Julie Benz and Michael Chiklis in a complete ripoff of FF? SO there!

Day 26:  OMG!WTF?? Season Finale -

 DEXTER Season Four

Day 27: Best pilot episode -

STAR TREK "The Cage" - Spock looks more devilish, Captain Pike is much more broody than Kirk, the real, original Number One has the more Vulcan temperament & a great part (yes, the network told GR that no one would accept an emotionally self-possessed intellectual woman as First Officer on a starship) & the aliens' treatment humans as potential breeding stock, except they're too uncivilized, still makes me smile

Day 28: First TV show obsession

ASTRO BOY

Day 29: Current TV show obsession -

CAPRICA

Day 30: Saddest character death -

ANGEL at the end of BtVS2 - The Sanctum Sanctorum of Buffyverse, intimate, tender, a sudden & complete reversal of all the terror & brutality of Angelus -- Angel's perplexity as the spell works, Buffy's horror as it's too late -- stands in a class all by itself in tv history


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[. After that, the women were stuffed into objectifying minskirts. A mistake that the recent film criminally repeated]

LOL! How history is misread -- especially fashion history!

When "The Cage" was made, the pants outfit was affiliated with college intellectual/beatnik/Greenwich village cool. By the time the show was greenlighted, tho', that entire fashion was utterly swept away by the mod look & minis, and had they put the women in pants, they may as well have put them in Gibson girl bustles. Like the flapper outfit of the 1920s, the miniskirt meant liberation, not 'objectification', coming after a decade of huge hooped skirts & then the severely tailored look, both of which can be seen in "Mad Men", and into which our mothers had been well & truly stuffed. (When she first attempted to wear short-shorts in the '50s, my mom was instantly told be her father that no daughter of HIS was ever going to wear THOSE! and she had to take them back to the store . . .) That liberating effect was immediately paralleled and accompanied by wearing jeans, vests, maxiskirts, loose tops, etc.



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[I've heard this argument before. It is a product of society's sexism that it was viewed as liberating for women to wear revealing clothing.]

You have it entirely backwards. Sexisms expression in clothing is primarily vestred in the obligation for women to cover up lest they cause the fall of men. But the flipside of the sexist cover up of female bodies is exploitation once the flesh is shown, which necessitates a struggle against exploitation of the freedom. But it was necessary to get the freedom first, before the other side could be confronted, which followed immediately. The true dimensions of male chauvinism -- which, like women's liberation, was the far more accurate & descriptive term for the social reality than the less confrontational, more evasive & obscurantist term "sexism" -- were immediately thrown into relief, and what had been done in advertising in the previous decade (and more) by using "sex appeal", was disclosed as something more than just a commercial gimmick.

"In olden days a glimpse of stocking

Was looked on as something shocking, now heaven knows

Anything goes"

[ You'll notice that society never got the idea that it was liberating for men to wear revealing clothing.]

T-shirts showing off the torso & biceps (Marlon Brando didn't become a star by virtue of his acting skills, tho' he had those also), later further reduced to tank tops & muscle shirts -- obviously not popular on those who lack the form -- fitted jeans, not just for girls but for men to show off the rear end -- bathing trunks reduced to speedos, etc.

SFically speaking, of course, original Trek's popularity among female viewers had a lot to do with its willingness to expose male flesh for viewing as well -- which was the origin, also, of slash.



For "Sexisms" read "Sexism's" and for "vestred" read "vested".

[It's all one guy, who got the hots for 15 year old Lolitaized Buffy, stalked her to a new town, courted her, acted like a teenager, bedded her before she reached the age of consent, sneered at her after sex, tried to kill her and killed her friend. The tragedy was that Buffy fell for him in the first place and never twigged that what she felt for him was not real love. Also tragic that he ever came back after Becoming.]

I enjoy twitting Bangels about the not-quite-kosher aspects of the ship, but I only enjoy it because the story as presented is a true contemporary tragedy, and this simply misses both the tragedy of the story & the humor of the game of Bangel-baiting.

And I get tired of the Lolita-reference, because the book is a about a barely pre-pubescent girl who has to fight free of a predator who charms everyone (including her mother), but not her. (The title of the early version of the idea was "The Enchanter", and what was carried through was the sorcerer's failure to cast his spell over his victim.) The movies, of course, had to advance her to fifteen-sixteen year old development, or risk not being filmed, much less shown.

20. I'm not sure what I like better--the kiss, or the idea that the entire material for Cordelia/Wesley's budding feelings for each other was simply setup for one moment of delirious anticlimax. (Also, perhaps I shouldn't share this, but my girlfriend has described our very first kiss as being like Cordelia and Wesley's, with the second and third being very, very big improvements; but at the time I was mostly just proud and happy that she had internalized my favourite show, which she watched on my recommendation, so much.)

21. Yep.

22. I like the things you mention, besides the robot montage at the end, but I have some issues with other bits of it. I'm curious what your non-modern TV picks would be?

23. Do you mean "held her back" in the sense that if you were Willow's friend you would advise her that Oz was not helping her, and wish that they would break up so she can find fulfillment as a person; or "held her back" in that Willow's character arc in the show--which eventually leads both to World Destroyer and White Goddess, and so is both ascent and descent as a person but all progress as a story, was impeded? Or are these options not even close?

24. A hundred "best ever" quotes from Restless are possible; that's a good one.

26. Yes.

27. It's pretty impressive. What happened between this episode and "Encounter at Farpoint"? I guess twenty years, fame, and GR being told again and again how much he had changed the world for the better.

30. The way the event means such different things for Buffy and Angel gives it added resonance; Angel's side is set up mostly in Becoming 1, but the classical tragedy that befalls him (for many of the things sum1different mentions above, in addition to the Crimes of Angelus) is painful out of the recognition that it's what he brought on himself, while Buffy chose to let herself be drawn in by her heart when she knew she shouldn't, and she has to stand back and watch as he gets sucked into hell and has to believe it's her fault (and hers alone)....

[do you mean "held her back" in the sense that if you were Willow's friend you would advise her that Oz was not helping her, and wish that they would break up so she can find fulfillment as a person; or "held her back" in that Willow's character arc in the show--which eventually leads both to World Destroyer and White Goddess, and so is both ascent and descent as a person but all progress as a story, was impeded?]

Willow was the most likely candidate to be able to develop personally without being in a romantic relationship in high school -- people do, tho' it's un-american or maybe wholly un-contemporary to do it.


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[Big misogyny moment. That whole angel storyline was a cheat and a smack in the face to everything Katee did so well on the show years. What a way to treat their best character, as if they were trying to balance out the good they did by having such a character]

Kara says that she's "completed her journey", so she's still her -- she knows who she is, just doesn't know what she is until that moment. Kara is in no way erased, reduced, or traduced by this -- in fact, labelling it 'misogynist', when there is no sexual mistreatment or violence, when there is no attack on her identity at all, looks a lot like a parody of feminist discourse.

In fact, if Kara was still alive & going to settle down and homestead with Lee, that would've been a truly misogynist ending -- instead, she's reached finality, and the finality is not settling down & reproducing with the Man Of Her Dreams.

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The religious struggles are at the heart of the show, with Adama's complete disbelief, Laura Roslin's skepticism, but then her own struggle with her use for the prophecies for political reasons but their appropriateness to her own decisions, etc. The idea that Kara's character was "infected" with "religious crap" would be like saying the D'lenn's in Babylon 5 was "infected" with "religious crap".

"Settling down to live out an ordinary life & die of old age" -- Adama got the 'old soldiers never die, they just fade away' because he was the good soldier. Kara was the fighter & rebel, and saying "She lived happily ever after with her man" would have been crapping over the character with faux-feminist "settling-down-was-my-choice" bullshit.


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